Session Start (calvino.freenode.net:#jupiterConf): Tue Jun 10 08:45:24 2003 [08:45] *** Now talking in #jupiterConf. *** Users on #jupiterConf: MartinRoell JoiIto jcwinnie europa emv PhilWolff *** End of /NAMES list. *** Mode for channel #jupiterConf is "+n" *** Channel #jupiterConf was created at Mon Jun 09 11:48:09 2003 [08:45] *** Join to #jupiterConf completed in 1 seconds. [08:45] good morning world [08:46] i just posted yesterdays logfile on my blog [08:49] *** seitz (~seitz@sheraton.network.harvard.net) has joined channel #jupiterConf [08:50] anyone awake [08:51] So, Martin, I assume that you are logging today? [08:51] Yes, I am. [08:51] Good Morning [08:52] So I will note that on AboutBlogs, okay? [08:52] sure [08:53] thanks [08:58] *** rednix (~nico@gate.orangemedia.de) has joined channel #jupiterConf [08:58] howdy [08:59] *** rednix is now known as NicoLumma [08:59] greetings from sunny hamburg :) [09:00] greeting from a freezing-cold conference room inboston.;) [09:01] hehe [09:01] still too dark to type? :) [09:02] well.. it's fine until now.but they will probably trun off the light again when the presentations start [09:02] next time i will bring a torch [09:03] yeah, those presentations are the only annoying things about conferences [09:07] *** Signoff: seitz ("Trillian ((Link: http://www.ceruleanstudios.com)http://www.ceruleanstudios.com)") [09:11] *** seitz (~seitz@sheraton.network.harvard.net) has joined channel #jupiterConf [09:19] *** jernst (~jernst@sheraton.network.harvard.net) has joined channel #jupiterconf [09:31] by the way, if anyone (in the room) is interested in Wiki, come by my spot. And I can also show you a cool TouchGraph GUI interface (kinda like TheBrain, if you've seen that). [09:35] Gee, Bill, is that like "come up and see my etchings"? [09:40] yeah, you don't mind if I dim the lights a bit more, do you? [09:41] Raise your hand if you hate audioblogging [09:42] *g* [09:43] videoblogging = the Anna Nicole show [09:46] I'm sorry, Dave, but I can't let you ping that trackback URL... [09:47] *rofl* [09:50] THis is evan william's entry that he was referring to i think: [09:50] (Link: http://evhead.com/archives/2003_05_01_archive_default.asp#105249734199128166)http://evhead.com/archives/2003_05_01_archive_default.asp#105249734199128166 [09:51] somebody had an interesting post about how there was somebody inside Google passing on complaints that Google gets from advertisers about the ranking of blogs. [09:56] audioblog the Bill Seitz Comedy Show [09:56] oh-oh... the conference-blog... [09:56] i thought that was _really_ bad [09:57] (Link: http://www.roell.net/weblog/archiv/2003/05/09/der_monolog_ueber_den_dialog.shtml)http://www.roell.net/weblog/archiv/2003/05/09/der_monolog_ueber_den_dialog.shtml [09:58] well, she's a marketroid [09:58] hm. so i only ned dates and an author and i have "a good busines blog"? [10:00] (here's the RobertScoble link about the advertiser-pressure at Google - (Link: http://radio.weblogs.com/0001011/2003/05/17.html#a3070)http://radio.weblogs.com/0001011/2003/05/17.html#a3070 ) [10:00] *** Signoff: jernst (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) [10:00] *** jernst (~jernst@sheraton.network.harvard.net) has joined channel #jupiterconf [10:00] wel... ray ozzie is not really blogging [10:04] he did for a couple weeks [10:10] re ray ozzie -- are there other ceos out there blogging for reals? I keep thinking that lots do op ed pieces and "letter from the ceo" type thingies for the company newsletter and website. They should ideal candidates for being bloggers? If not, why not? [10:11] Most of those op-eds are written by flacks, and so will CEO blogs. [10:11] The "Sparrow" that Google uses is a type of Wiki [10:12] ?google Sparrow [10:12] google/sparrow article (Link: http://www.fastcompany.com/online/60/google.html)http://www.fastcompany.com/online/60/google.html [10:12] Search for Sparrow: 0.180 seconds. Showing first 3 of 697000 sites [10:12] SparrowRecords.com - (Link: http://www.sparrowrecords.com/)http://www.sparrowrecords.com/ [10:12] CorbinMotors.com - (Link: http://www.ev-sparrow.com/)http://www.ev-sparrow.com/ [10:12] SPARROW HEALTH SYSTEM - (Link: http://www.sparrow.org/)http://www.sparrow.org/ [10:20] Sparrow is from XeroxParc (Link: http://www2.parc.com/istl/projects/sparrow/)http://www2.parc.com/istl/projects/sparrow/ [10:21] cool [10:51] *** davidjoho (~dweinberg@sheraton.network.harvard.net) has joined channel #jupiterConf [10:51] hey, how was your daughter's gig? [10:52] It was great. The 6th grade jazz band is surprisingly good. [10:53] they should start an audioblog of their rehearsals [10:53] Nathan was one of the soloists - nothing like 12-yr-old jazz improv. Very cool. [10:53] oops, thought it was a daughter, not son. [10:53] I never got very good at improv, which bums me out [10:54] need some disposable money and time to get back to group music [10:55] *** JoiIto is now known as JoiSleep [11:05] BusinessWk has just posted an article about weblogs. I haven't looked at it yet... [11:05] (Link: http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/jun2003/tc20030610_7159_tc104.htm)http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/jun2003/tc20030610_7159_tc104.htm [11:08] Social Networking, Social Software, and the Future of Knowledge Management [11:08] (Link: http://blogs.salon.com/0002007/2003/05/28.html#a251)http://blogs.salon.com/0002007/2003/05/28.html#a251 [11:27] great quote from Vin [11:27] *** Signoff: PhilWolff (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [11:27] *** Signoff: jcwinnie ("Ciao for now") [11:31] Jeneane has a funny entry today on the meta meta meta blogging of this conference: (Link: http://allied.blogspot.com/2003_06_08_allied_archive.html#200405827)http://allied.blogspot.com/2003_06_08_allied_archive.html#200405827 [11:32] (I noticed Doc browsing Jeneane's site. Over-the-shoulder browsing...) [11:41] *** jcwinnie (~jcwinnie@bgm-24-24-86-16.stny.rr.com) has joined channel #jupiterConf [11:43] *** PhilWolff (~pwolff@adsl-67-118-98-129.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) has joined channel #jupiterConf [11:46] Hi, Phil, how does the Jupiter conference compare with BlogTalk [11:51] i'm not in boston, actually. [11:51] attending by proxy of all the other bloggers [11:52] martin was there too. [11:52] Funny how one can tell the lawyer's panel immediately by the clothes of the panelists. :) [11:52] impression: blogtalk had zero marketing content, audience ten years younger, more PhDs [11:53] ah [11:53] interesting [11:56] questions for lawyers:if i post to my home blog from work, does my employer own it? [11:56] q. blogs fair game for HR background checks? for performance reviews? [11:57] i will ask those questions at the end of the panel [11:57] Careful, Phil. Anything you write on this board makes you liable... [12:16] *** Signoff: NicoLumma () [12:16] the first lawyer I ever heard who said about anything "do it do it do it do it" [12:17] :-) [12:19] good lawyers help you balance risk and reward. [12:20] they usually only understand the risks, so say "don't do it". [12:32] caffeine. must have much much more caffeine... [12:32] you or maurice? ;-) [12:33] self deprecation or fear? [12:35] *** Shellen (~shellen@sheraton.network.harvard.net) has joined channel #jupiterConf [12:39] *** Signoff: jernst (Remote closed the connection) [12:40] Dan Bricklin has just posted conference photos: (Link: http://www.bricklin.com/log/jupiterclickz200306.htm)http://www.bricklin.com/log/jupiterclickz200306.htm [12:42] I missed what Arik's saying. Someone have a quick update/summary? [12:49] Arik was saying he has fact checkers [12:49] bloggers don't [12:49] watch yourself [12:50] i've posted my presentation in html [12:50] does anyone care if I don't post the PPT file? [12:51] *** jernst (~jernst@sheraton.network.harvard.net) has joined channel #jupiterconf [12:51] *** Signoff: jernst (Remote closed the connection) [12:51] *** Signoff: Shellen ("ChatZilla 0.8.26 [Mozilla rv:1.4b/20030507]") [12:52] I'm shutting my computer down during lunch. so no logging until we recommence [12:52] see you Session Close (#jupiterConf): Tue Jun 10 12:52:30 2003 Session Start (pratchett.freenode.net:#jupiterConf): Tue Jun 10 13:34:19 2003 [13:34] *** Now talking in #jupiterConf. *** Users on #jupiterConf: MartinRoell PhilWolff davidjoho seitz JoiSleep europa emv *** End of /NAMES list. *** Mode for channel #jupiterConf is "+n" *** Channel #jupiterConf was created at Mon Jun 09 11:48:09 2003 [13:34] *** Join to #jupiterConf completed in 1 seconds. [13:38] Why it's a great time tobe an entrepreneur? My Recycled Content bit just flipped. We'll see... [13:38] *** jernst (~jernst@sheraton.network.harvard.net) has joined channel #jupiterconf [13:41] Now DownSide and UnRead Herring, of course [13:41] Dead Herring [13:46] AO doesn't have member blogs. It works like mefi. but they call each post "a blog" [13:48] mefi? [13:48] MetaFilter [13:48] D'oh! thanks [13:49] Focus, Tony! Focus! [13:49] ooh [13:51] then she fed me this stuff called soooosheeee [13:52] This Net is going to big with the kids! Big, I tell you! [13:53] ow... does he really believe in these numbers he is showing at the moment? :-/ [13:54] The founder of RedHerring not knowing about IM is a strong data point in the blogger vs "real journalist" argument [13:54] 1 billion non-pc internet users in 2005. sure. [13:54] He has to believe those numbers, he bought them from Jupiter! [13:54] revolutionary. he has just described the remotecontrol [13:54] ok, it was gartner [13:55] heh. :) [13:55] He's gotta take the hyphen out of Always-On in this slide. It's all about the brand, muh friends. [13:56] I tell you, this Internet thang is going to be big! You ought to get in on the ground floor! [13:57] AlwaysOn is proud to offer distribution opportunities in this world-changing phenomenon... [13:57] Don't make me laugh! I'm in the front row, you bastards! [13:57] There's a meeting tomorrow at the Marriott in Lodi, New Jersey [13:57] the real killer app is confrence-IRC [13:58] "Blatant promotions and advertisements will be removed by the editors and violators suspended" from the "Post Your Own" page on AO. [13:58] "Build a community that advertisers care about". I love that one. [13:58] Now unrealistic - that's the NickDenton model [13:59] (oops - NOT unrealistic) [14:00] guys -- he's talking about how to *build a business*. Not how to blog or whatever. And I don't think he's all that far off from sv consensus, good and bad. [14:00] Why is he talking about how to build a business? [14:01] hm [14:01] And is there anything that he's said that we haven't known for 4 years? [14:01] i didnt know the part about his daughter [14:01] blog= media [14:01] < davidjoho>maybe because the title of the conference is "business strategies" [14:01] Weblogging business strategies. [14:02] the daughter story was from ages ago - (Link: http://www.redherring.com/mag/issue107/371.html)http://www.redherring.com/mag/issue107/371.html [14:02] building a business using the term "weblog" somewhere along the way [14:02] I don't think he's farther away from "weblog business strategies" that many of the previous talks were from the "business strategies" (and only talking about blog dynamics etc) [14:03] oowww.. [14:03] Anthony B. Perkins = TOny Perkins? [14:04] "sticky" [14:04] yes, Tony is short for Anthony [14:04] thanks [14:05] Is anyone going to post anything about this conference to always-on? [14:06] did he just say "slashdot requires you to sign in?" [14:06] I missed it. [14:07] What does it take to become a "member" at AO? [14:07] a lifetime spam subscription [14:08] (Link: http://www.alwayson-network.com/members/register.php)http://www.alwayson-network.com/members/register.php [14:08] "Build your professional brand equity on the site to create new business opportunities and strategic relationships" yeah baby yeah [14:09] "it's good for the world" [14:10] blog more. it's good. [14:10] No no no. It should be "LEVERAGE your professional brand equity..." [14:11] there's a blogger born every minute [14:11] "Sustainable media brand" vs. blogs. There's the issue for me. [14:12] I think OpenSourceMedia means to him that people give him stuff for free and he collects money for it. [14:12] nicely put [14:12] I want to ask him: Do you think bloggers are also building sustainable media brands? If not, what does he think we're doing? [14:13] so ask! [14:13] AO is "The Insiders' Network". Insiders to what? [14:13] Who owns the posts on your site? [14:13] Will you share the wealth? [14:14] Where is Perkin's own blog? [14:15] he doesnt have one i believe [14:16] he's have a blog, but his daughter hasn't gotten home for the summer yet [14:17] DON'T MAKE ME LAUGH! I warned you about this already! [14:17] Stop trying to make this a challenge for me.... [14:18] Tony Perkins' AlwaysOn Motel. [14:18] Oh, mother! [14:18] *rofl* [14:19] *** Signoff: emv ("leaving") [14:20] join AlwaysOn, become a ShareBlogger! [14:20] good question [14:23] how is AO different from a magazine with letters to the editor forum? [14:25] I'm on the AO blogroll! I was SO WRONG about this talk! [14:27] Hmmm. Needs more competitive intelligence about slashdot [14:28] I think he's talking about becoming a moderator on slash - he just doesn't know that you don't need to be amoderator to post. [14:31] so it's a blog *and* a portal [14:33] gosh, it's like the web [14:33] ok, now it's AOL for blogs [14:36] the issue is that he's co-opting the term [14:37] carpetbagger [14:46] Just waiting for the Nike Blogger. Size 9. [14:47] thats hebig.org and hebig.com [14:48] I was at that Vienna conf and was the point person for gathering a list of all live bloggers. I can tell you I was more than a little confused as I heard from the two Hebigs. Even after it was explained to me, I thought it was a cruel joke mocking American unfamiliarity with other languages. [14:49] Or, as Doc just said, "This is Hebig and this is my other blogger Hebig." [14:49] (Martin, it's a reference to a US TV show.) [14:50] which showis that? (let me googleit. :-) [14:51] Pay attention, Martin! It was the Bob Newhart Show. [15:06] *** rossm (~rossmay@adsl-64-175-36-210.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) has joined channel #jupiterConf [15:07] hey folks [15:09] howdy [15:09] hi [15:11] hey, i just got off the phone with a journalist who attended yesterday, [15:11] his take Adina was the only one giving examples of actual business use and that there was much talk and little action of weblogs in business [15:11] pointed him to some other sources [15:12] but just some feedback on impressions [15:13] other conferences have testimonials more than analysts [15:15] ah so [15:17] The current panel is the richest so far in terms of case studies. [15:18] But, yes, this conf has been very light on "success stories," probably because the market is so new. [15:18] *** rvr (rvr@206.Red-81-34-124.pooles.rima-tde.net) has joined channel #jupiterConf [15:18] If there aren't more next year, then we're wrong about the importance of blogs to business [15:18] *** Signoff: europa (Remote closed the connection) [15:18] *** europa (~europa@mail.blogalia.com) has joined channel #jupiterConf [15:19] Bot upgrade [15:19] ?help [15:19] JiBot - #JoiIto's bot - (Link: http://joi.ito.com/joiwiki/JiBot)http://joi.ito.com/joiwiki/JiBot [15:19] Dictionary: ?learn concept is definition || ?def concept [15:19] Technorati: ?info blog.com || ?last blog.com [15:19] Amazon: ?amazon words || ?isbn ISBN [15:19] Google: ?search words [15:21] ?lean jupiterConf is ClickZ Weblog Business Strategies 2003 Conference & Expo - (Link: http://www.jupiterevents.com/blog/spring03/)http://www.jupiterevents.com/blog/spring03/ [15:21] ?learn jupiterConf is ClickZ Weblog Business Strategies 2003 Conference & Expo - (Link: http://www.jupiterevents.com/blog/spring03/)http://www.jupiterevents.com/blog/spring03/ [15:21] I am a smarter bot. [15:21] ?def jupiterconf [15:21] jupiterconf is ClickZ Weblog Business Strategies 2003 Conference & Expo - (Link: http://www.jupiterevents.com/blog/spring03/)http://www.jupiterevents.com/blog/spring03/ [15:21] See ya :) [15:21] *** rvr has left #jupiterConf [15:26] bot madness [15:30] *** Signoff: jernst (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) [15:30] *** jernst (~jernst@64.55.135.18) has joined channel #jupiterconf [15:32] how do we polk fun with seitz on the panel? [15:33] IM him when he is presenting [15:33] Martin Roell is sitting next to him and is (or was) tuned into the IRC. Open to possibility... [15:33] Yes, they're reading this while on the panel. [15:33] Bill, your fly is open. [15:33] (sure it's a crude jape...) [15:34] Good job. Good panel. [15:35] ceo blog slashdotting someone. a new function for chiefs? [15:36] Gosh Bill, I can see it from here [15:36] I wasn't wearing pants [15:37] lol [15:37] some this seems appropriate - I stole a couple of kids' Frog & Toad stories and put them on my ProjectMgmt page - (Link: http://webseitz.fluxent.com/wiki/ProjectManagement)http://webseitz.fluxent.com/wiki/ProjectManagement [15:37] later kids, gotta run for the train [15:38] bye bill [15:38] *** seitz has left #jupiterConf [15:41] oops, gotta go [15:41] *** rossm has left #jupiterConf [16:00] *** KevinMarks (~Snak@A17-202-34-245.apple.com) has joined channel #jupiterConf [16:00] Lydon's blog: (Link: http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/lydon/)http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/lydon/ [16:37] I used to have a .plan file. Didn't remember that I probably miss it ... [16:44] jernst has posted to AlmostOn about the conference and Tony's session: (Link: http://www.alwayson-network.com/comments.php?id=557_0_5_0_C)http://www.alwayson-network.com/comments.php?id=557_0_5_0_C [16:44] I could not resist when no one responded to my earlier question. Sorry for the duplicate post, I got a script error from the site and the back button must have posted it a second time without telling me [16:46] good piece [16:47] slight slant for this particular audience -- but if there is one thing that gets on my nerves it is when people stop listening and just keep repeating "I am right" [16:47] I like innovation and entrepreneurship ;-) [16:48] Jernst, I like your post. I have absolutely no problem with AO. I hope it makes money. I like it when people make money on the Internet. But ... [16:49] thanks [16:49] ... I don't like the apparent fact that Tony is attempting to coopt the word "blog." We need the word. [16:50] Apparently Tony doesn't read blogs, he doesn't write one, and he doesn't know what they are in a different way than we in this room don't know what they are. He *really* doesn't know. [16:50] The cynic in me would respond: welcome to the world of business. I cannot think of a single word ("collaboration" is my favorite for various reasons) that has not been coopted by various people for purposes that have no relationship to the original [16:51] But he thinks he can make money by using the word. We should object to that. [16:51] By *misusing* the word. [16:52] I applaud you for that -- but I don't think it will work ;-) [16:53] *** KevinMarks is now known as Kevin_eatingSush [16:55] Don't type with your mouth full [16:56] we should meetup in IRC more often. Why don't we keep this server and open up a channel #weblog or so, stick a bot in and see when we meet again? [16:56] Yes, business coopts words, and it's our job to struggle against it and to call true cynics like Tony on it. (Note: all I know about TP is what I've seen today.) [16:57] And it's not just the word that's at issue. We in this room have the sense that we're building something. Post by post. Day by day. TP is building a business which is fine and good and useful (really). But he shouldn't build it by misappropriating what we together have built. [16:58] well said [17:01] hm.. seems he is actually learning soimething [17:01] woah! [17:01] we are a "cult group" :-) [17:02] Ommmmmm Winer Ommmmmmmm [17:02] AO is *NOT* "spreading the culture"! [17:05] *** Signoff: jernst ("User disconnected") [17:05] are you all coming to the dinner this evening? [17:05] [16:50] Apparently Tony doesn't read blogs, he doesn't write one, and he doesn't know what they are in a different way than we in this room don't know what they are. He *really* doesn't know. [17:06] oops..soryy [17:06] (Link: http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/bloggersDinnerJune2003)http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/bloggersDinnerJune2003 [17:11] *** Kevin_eatingSush is now known as KevinMarks