Session Start (calvino.freenode.net:#jupiterConf): Mon Jun 09 12:00:27 2003 [12:00] *** Now talking in #jupiterConf. *** Users on #jupiterConf: MartinRoell @fluxent [12:00] Hi there! :-) [12:05] *** fluxent_ (~chatzilla@sheraton.network.harvard.net) has joined channel #jupiterConf [12:05] hey, great, someone found it [12:05] I'm blogging about this channel at the moment, but i am not sure many people in the room read my blog, as it is in german [12:08] *** Disconnected from irc.freenode.net. Session Close (#jupiterConf): Mon Jun 09 12:08:17 2003 Session Start (orwell.freenode.net:#jupiterConf): Mon Jun 09 12:18:29 2003 [12:18] *** Now talking in #jupiterConf. *** Users on #jupiterConf: Martin_Roell fluxent__ PhilWolff fluxent_ MartinRoell [12:18] *** Signoff: fluxent_ (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) [12:19] oy, the timeout is killing me [12:20] I lost the connection to the WLAN for the last 5 minutes. I think there are too many people connected to the AP. [12:20] Did they ever find the person with his machine set up wrong? [12:22] i dont think so. he probably fled. ;-) [12:24] set it free [12:25] if you put up blogging tools and walk away, dont you think the right people will use them? [12:25] feedback. [12:25] then iterate. [12:25] Actively support them for internal use. Have DontAskDontTell policy for personal employee blogs visible to the outside. [12:28] re:"if you put up blogging tools and walk away, dont you think the right people will use them?" [12:28] i agree. That's apart of the concept i worked on forBlogTalk. But companies won'tget that i fear. They want "strategies". They arenot usedtoproviding an infrastrucutre and then "walking away" [12:30] *** Signoff: MartinRoell (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [12:31] *** BillSeitz (~chatzilla@sheraton.network.harvard.net) has joined channel #jupiterConf [12:33] Hi, bill [12:33] the irc-er formerly known as fluxent [12:33] different client? with a keepalive? [12:34] using ChatZilla. [12:34] don't know if that's the problem, or dropping connections combined with retry, or what [12:34] mIRC myself. [12:35] how many of you are blogging primarily to stay awake [12:35] i'm not in the room. [12:35] *lol* [12:36] i take it there high ratio of words to meaning? [12:36] *** Signoff: fluxent__ (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) [12:36] Even the speakers don't seem to know why they're there. [12:37] How come that at these computer-conferences there is always solitlle light? They probably think we sit in dark rooms in front of oour pcs all day and they dont want to shock us [12:43] *** jernst (~jernst@sheraton.network.harvard.net) has joined channel #jupiterconf [12:43] *** Signoff: jernst (Client Quit) [12:44] time for lunch *** You have been marked as being away. [13:31] *** Disconnected from irc.freenode.net. Session Close (#jupiterConf): Mon Jun 09 13:31:23 2003 Session Start (asimov.freenode.net:#jupiterConf): Mon Jun 09 13:32:26 2003 [13:32] *** Now talking in #jupiterConf. *** Users on #jupiterConf: Martin_Roell jcwinnie rossm PhilWolff [13:32] hi martin [13:32] Hi Ross! [13:32] wishing i was there [13:33] I am JonathanSmith [13:33] pleased to meet you Jonathan [13:33] please to meet you on IRC [13:33] so any highlights so far (except Adina's brilliance, of course)? [13:34] *** rvr (rvr@252.Red-81-32-92.pooles.rima-tde.net) has joined channel #jupiterConf [13:34] Hi :) [13:34] I told that you asked about his bot [13:34] *** Bopuc (~Snak@gate.colubris.com) has joined channel #jupiterConf [13:34] rossm Were you asking for jibot for this channel? [13:34] jcwin thought it might be a good idea [13:34] After I commented it would be nice to have a bot or two on this channel [13:35] would it be logged in joi's wiki? [13:35] Yeah, wait a minute, I can run it here [13:36] *** seitz (~seitz@sheraton.network.harvard.net) has joined channel #jupiterConf [13:36] hi bill [13:36] RossMayfield? [13:36] are you here onsite? [13:37] the one and only (not really, there is another ross mayfield, but he is someone else [13:37] RossMayfield, Bill Seitz, Bill, Ross [13:37] im working in palo alto [13:37] Oh, yeah, work. [13:37] lol [13:38] I think there's a latent culture clash here in Jupiter meatspace [13:38] yeah? [13:38] the marketroids and the public bloggers [13:39] maybe there's a KnowledgeMgmt/intranet culture as well, but they haven't been on panels yet. [13:39] *** europa (~rvr@mail.blogalia.com) has joined channel #jupiterConf [13:39] *** Signoff: europa (Remote closed the connection) [13:39] (hmm maybe that counts as a plug for Windley's session tomorrow) [13:39] Ok [13:39] its inevitable, unfortunately the most public use of blogs for business is pr [13:39] hello all. can someone give me a URL for the conference? [13:40] please :) [13:40] Boris, I will give you the page where the list of blogs is located [13:40] official info url (Link: http://www.jupiterevents.com/blog/spring03/)http://www.jupiterevents.com/blog/spring03/ [13:40] perfect thanks :) [13:40] aggregator (Link: http://topicexchange.com/t/weblog_business_strategies_conference/)http://topicexchange.com/t/weblog_business_strategies_conference/ [13:40] (Link: http://joi.ito.com/joiwiki/AboutBlogs)http://joi.ito.com/joiwiki/AboutBlogs [13:40] *** europa (~europa@mail.blogalia.com) has joined channel #jupiterConf [13:40] ?help [13:40] JiBot - #JoiIto's bot - (Link: http://joi.ito.com/joiwiki/JiBot)http://joi.ito.com/joiwiki/JiBot [13:40] ?info (Link: http://my.blog.com)http://my.blog.com - Show blog info (Technorati) [13:40] ?last (Link: http://my.blog.com)http://my.blog.com - Display last blog post as in RSS feed (Technorati) [13:40] ?search words - Search words (Technorati) [13:40] ?google words - Search words (Google) [13:40] ?amazon words - Search words (Amazon) [13:40] ?isbn ISBNumber - Search ISBN (Amazon) [13:40] The list includes Bill's wiki [13:41] go JiBot [13:41] welcome, bot [13:42] hot damn... i should be there... sigh... my fault for not being on top of this... [13:43] Strange: At the conference in Vienna (blogtalk.net) last week most discussion was about KM. Very little about marketing. [13:43] well, u r there in a manner of speaking [13:43] Martin_Roell You were in BlogTalk? [13:43] hehe indeed.. but a quick jaunt to boston woulda been nice too ;) [13:44] read the Blogview at the bottom of the AboutBlogs page [13:44] *** jernst (~jernst@sheraton.network.harvard.net) has joined channel #jupiterconf [13:44] I mean click on the Blogview [13:44] yes, i was there. hold on, let me give you alink... [13:45] Martin_Roell Fernando Tricas is here :) [13:45] it will take time for folks to realize that the biz opportunity isnt a new market segment [13:45] (Link: http://www.eamonn.com/archives/000470.html)http://www.eamonn.com/archives/000470.html [13:45] ah! Hi Fernando! [13:45] (Link: http://www.roell.net/weblog/archiv/2003/05/23/blogtalk_my_talk_at_blogtalk.shtml)http://www.roell.net/weblog/archiv/2003/05/23/blogtalk_my_talk_at_blogtalk.shtml [13:45] Martin_Roell Here == freenote [13:45] *** fernand0 (ftricas@prometeo.cps.unizar.es) has joined channel #jupiterconf [13:45] Martin_Roell I am his paper colleague [13:45] Hi fernand0 !! [13:45] (Link: http://www.roell.net/weblog)http://www.roell.net/weblog [13:45] hi rvr [13:45] and all [13:45] hi fernando! [13:46] Martin_Roell I couldn't go to Vienna :( [13:46] fernando is another BlogTalk person [13:46] hi martin [13:46] Fernand0 told us it was very interesting [13:46] my paper can be downloaded from (Link: http://www.roell.net/publikationen)http://www.roell.net/publikationen (in german and english) [13:46] and very nice [13:46] really nice [13:46] How nice was it??? [13:46] yeah.. BlogTalk was really great [13:47] (Link: http://joi.ito.com/joiwiki/LaBlogosferaHispana)http://joi.ito.com/joiwiki/LaBlogosferaHispana [13:47] Martin_Roell Are you at Jupiter Conference? [13:47] yes. right in the middle of it. :) [13:48] Cool [13:48] try the machine translation onmy weblog (click the flag at the top right) ;-) [13:48] Have you presented yet, Martin? [13:48] ah, Martin has BabelFish [13:48] no. i will be on a panel tomorrow [13:49] no presentation this time... just a panel discussion. (which is a pity) [13:49] Still, to be on a panel is a way to be recognized -- your opinion matters [13:50] ?last (Link: www.roell.net/weblog)www.roell.net/weblog [13:50] Das E-Business Weblog's lastest post at 2003-06-09 15:55: I was actually hoping noone had bothered to write down the toilet-cleaning remark... :-) [13:50] *** xuli (~adina_lev@sheraton.network.harvard.net) has joined channel #jupiterConf [13:50] Hi, Ross & Bill [13:51] (Phil, good point in your blog) [13:51] (well - that was the last comment, not the last post) [13:52] which blog is that? *** europa is ~europa@mail.blogalia.com (Python #joiito's bot) *** on channels: #jupiterConf *** on irc via server irc.freenode.net (http://freenode.net/) *** europa has been idle 1 minutes, signed on at Mon Jun 09 13:40:42 2003 [13:52] hi xuli [13:52] what's xuli stand for? [13:53] (Link: www.alevin.com/weblog)www.alevin.com/weblog [13:53] hi adina. How strange: Sitting directly next to eachother using a chatroom to communicate. :) [13:53] oh, hi! great job! [13:53] and I'm sitting right behind the two of them [13:53] Middle name is Shulamith [13:54] and the person who introduced me to IRC told me I needed a cool-sounding handle [13:54] ah, thanks, the TopicExchange [13:54] better than talking out loud & disrupting the speaker [13:54] ?info (Link: www.alevin.com/weblog)www.alevin.com/weblog [13:54] Sorry (Link: www.alevin.com/weblog)www.alevin.com/weblog is not in this universe [13:54] ?info alevin.com/weblog [13:54] Sorry alevin.com/weblog is not in this universe [13:55] Technorati doesn't link you, xuli :( [13:55] it should [13:55] ?info (Link: www.alevin.com/weblog/)www.alevin.com/weblog/ [13:55] Sorry (Link: www.alevin.com/weblog/)www.alevin.com/weblog/ is not in this universe [13:55] when I migrated from blogspot to alevin.com and MT, technorati lost it [13:55] :( [13:56] who's bopuc? [13:56] nobody... ;) [13:56] Come now, Boris, do not be shy [13:56] :D [13:56] (Link: http://bopuc.levendis.com/RowBoat/)http://bopuc.levendis.com/RowBoat/ [13:56] time to leave [13:56] nice to meet you [13:56] i really should pu tup an "about me" page shouldn't I... [13:57] likewise [13:57] *** Signoff: fernand0 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [13:57] (back to lurking... carry on! ;) [13:57] and jcwinnie? [13:58] jcwinnie is JonathanSmith [13:58] Mostly harmless [13:58] ?info mostly harmless [13:58] Sorry mostly harmless is not in this universe [13:58] erm [13:58] .google mostly harmless [13:59] ?info "Douglas Addams" [13:59] Sorry "Douglas Addams" is not in this universe [13:59] rvr help? [13:59] ?help [13:59] JiBot - #JoiIto's bot - (Link: http://joi.ito.com/joiwiki/JiBot)http://joi.ito.com/joiwiki/JiBot [13:59] ?info (Link: http://my.blog.com)http://my.blog.com - Show blog info (Technorati) [13:59] ?last (Link: http://my.blog.com)http://my.blog.com - Display last blog post as in RSS feed (Technorati) [13:59] ?search words - Search words (Technorati) [13:59] ?google words - Search words (Google) [13:59] ?amazon words - Search words (Amazon) [13:59] ?isbn ISBNumber - Search ISBN (Amazon) [13:59] Bopuc Use the "?", Like [13:59] Luke X) [13:59] .google is a datum command [13:59] ?google mostly harmless [13:59] Search for mostly harmless: 0.211 seconds. Showing first 3 of 207000 sites [13:59] (mostly) harmless theatre online - (Link: http://www.mhtheatre.com/)http://www.mhtheatre.com/ [13:59] Mostly Harmless - Psychedelic Hardcore from Switzerland - (Link: http://www.mostlyharmless.ch/)http://www.mostlyharmless.ch/ [13:59] DNA/Mostly Harmless - (Link: http://www.douglasadams.com/creations/0345379330.html)http://www.douglasadams.com/creations/0345379330.html [14:00] hah ok [14:00] ?amazon dna mostly harmless [14:00] I cannot search dna mostly harmless [14:00] ?amazon mostly harmless [14:00] Search for mostly harmless. Showing first 3 of 9 products [14:00] Mostly Harmless $7.50 [14:00] The Happy Hacker: A Guide to (Mostly) Harmless Computer Hacking $17.48 [14:00] I cannot search mostly harmless [14:01] hmm [14:01] *** femtoid (~femtoid@bgp455301bgs.avenel01.nj.comcast.net) has joined channel #jupiterConf [14:01] Is a Douaglas Adams' book? [14:01] *** Shellen (~shellen@sheraton.network.harvard.net) has joined channel #jupiterConf [14:01] Douglas [14:01] Is a saying in a book by Douglas Adams [14:01] I don't like people [14:01] or chicken [14:01] hi, jason (it's adina) [14:01] hey Adina [14:02] Jason, the world famous photographer??? [14:02] yes [14:02] I like watching people try to work our copier, granted, its not as fun as going to a blogging conference, but its fun nonetheless [14:02] hi jason [14:03] hi Jason [14:04] ROSS! [14:04] Ross, is working Palo Alto [14:04] in [14:04] I have a theory that SocialText can't all be contained all in one room. [14:04] Good theory [14:05] "mostly harmless" is the entry for Earth/humans in the HitchHiker's Guide to the Galaxy [14:05] ah hah! [14:05] seitz Ah, thanks! [14:05] * jcwinnie passing as Earthling [14:05] this does not answer who jcwinnie is tho... ;) [14:05] hehehe [14:05] perhaps they are all the same person [14:06] perhaps JiBot could connect with Wilipedia [14:06] Wikipedia [14:06] i've seen Ross and Pete together. Perhaps Pete and Adina are the same person. [14:06] hi ross - just back from a walk [14:06] yes, we are in many rooms, omnipresent [14:06] hi phil [14:07] its the grand socialtext conspiracy of being part of all great conversations [14:07] mostly harmless! :) [14:07] so on what features should Social Software be compared for a business user? [14:07] ?google conspiracy theory [14:07] Search for conspiracy theory: 0.112 seconds. Showing first 3 of 359000 sites [14:07] Conspiracy Theory - (Link: http://www.conspiracytheory.com/)http://www.conspiracytheory.com/ [14:07] CTRL: The Conspiracy Theory Research List - (Link: http://www.ctrl.org/)http://www.ctrl.org/ [14:07] Turn Left: Make Your Own Conspiracy Theory - (Link: http://www.cjnetworks.com/~cubsfan/conspiracy.html)http://www.cjnetworks.com/~cubsfan/conspiracy.html [14:07] ahem [14:08] ?google constipation theory [14:08] Search for constipation theory: 0.230 seconds. Showing first 3 of 24500 sites [14:08] Yin Yang House - Oriental Medical Information - Chinese Medical ... - (Link: http://www.yinyanghouse.com/chinesetheory/etiology-constipation.html)http://www.yinyanghouse.com/chinesetheory/etiology-constipation.html [14:08] Yin Yang House - Oriental Medical Information - Chinese Medical ... - (Link: http://www.yinyanghouse.com/chinesetheory/etiology-abdominalpain.html)http://www.yinyanghouse.com/chinesetheory/etiology-abdominalpain.html [14:08] The United Kingdom Parliament - (Link: http://www.parliament.the-stationery-office.co.uk/pa/cm200203/cmhansrd/cm030410/debtext/30410-21.htm)http://www.parliament.the-stationery-office.co.uk/pa/cm200203/cmhansrd/cm030410/debtext/30410-21.htm [14:08] haha [14:08] (sorry) [14:08] ah hah SocialText is the Ying Yang of Social Software [14:08] (one is much liek the other I'm affraid...) [14:08] Just as we thought! [14:08] See ya! [14:08] Ciao [14:08] ciao [14:08] IF there is any problem with the bot, call me, I'm just here [14:09] *** rvr has left #jupiterConf [14:09] depends on what the business user's goals are [14:09] hola, Fernando! [14:09] Gone, but his bot remains with us [14:09] nice of him [14:09] gone, but bot forgotten [14:10] EXCELLENT!!! [14:10] is sharp and helpful [14:10] nice combo [14:10] Adina just interupted David's Keynote with an IM post. It popped up over his Powerpoint. [14:10] nicely done [14:11] "The revolution will be blogerized" [14:11] classic [14:11] haha [14:12] Classic was when the demo failed for Bill G [14:12] thats going back some years [14:12] sorry -- am old fart [14:13] my big take from the planetwork conference: the software folks could learn from the political and cultural activist community [14:13] jason, take a picture of adina for our massive pr machine, will ya? [14:14] phil, what would you expect the activists to say? [14:14] thats a big take [14:14] [14:15] Whoa, did Phil just get in from PlaNetwork? [14:15] they have techniques and practices and social norms for building groups. [14:15] people who commit time and money and hearts [14:15] ?google sustainable [14:15] Search for sustainable: 0.159 seconds. Showing first 3 of 6330000 sites [14:15] Sustainable Communities Network Home Page -- Welcome! - (Link: http://www.sustainable.org/)http://www.sustainable.org/ [14:15] Welcome to IISD - (Link: http://www.iisd.org/)http://www.iisd.org/ [14:15] Smart Communities Network - Creating Energy Smart Communities - (Link: http://www.sustainable.doe.gov/)http://www.sustainable.doe.gov/ [14:16] will do Ross [14:16] thx [14:17] just adding to the list of things i don't know how to do [14:18] I think the activist point is that communities often have more *meaning* when they have an agenda, and agenda's often make more "sense" to people when they are action-oriented. [14:18] But most "online" "communities" have no action component, which I think increases the odds of dispersion over time... [14:19] explains warblogging? [14:19] explains journalism? [14:20] *** Signoff: Shellen ("ChatZilla 0.8.26 [Mozilla rv:1.4b/20030507]") [14:22] *** Signoff: jernst ("User disconnected") [14:23] is there some coffee at the back of the room? [14:23] ah... caffeeine-addicts.. ;) [14:24] *** Signoff: xuli (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [14:24] *** Signoff: rossm () [14:27] what did the warbloggers accomplish? [14:28] offline-media-coverage for weblog. :-/ [14:28] kept away the elephants? [14:29] Hmmm, temporal irony - a speaker in the next panel is from the US Army [14:29] which is apparently now called "America's Army" [14:29] *g* [14:29] (Link: http://www.americasarmy.com/)http://www.americasarmy.com/ [14:29] "Empower Yourself. Defend Freedom" [14:29] & they eat only "Freedom Fries" [14:30] ugh [14:30] *** rubys (~rubys@sheraton.network.harvard.net) has joined channel #JupiterConf [14:31] hi rubys [14:31] welcome to today's modern army [14:31] hi jcwinnie [14:31] ok, who or what is a jcwinnie? ;-) [14:31] * jcwinnie passing as Earthling [14:31] probably the world's best employment site [14:32] deployment or employment? [14:32] ?google Tavistock Institute [14:32] Search for Tavistock Institute: 0.126 seconds. Showing first 3 of 25500 sites [14:32] www.tavinstitute.org - (Link: http://www.tavinstitute.org/)http://www.tavinstitute.org/ [14:32] The Tavistock Institute - Human Relations Home Page - (Link: http://www.tavinstitute.org/hrindex.htm)http://www.tavinstitute.org/hrindex.htm [14:32] Tavistock - (Link: http://www.tavistockinstitute.org/)http://www.tavistockinstitute.org/ [14:32] SnipSnap [14:32] Paddywhack [14:32] what other site could get you to sign up, move out of town, and risk your life? [14:33] ?google persuasive technology [14:33] Search for persuasive technology: 0.103 seconds. Showing first 3 of 245000 sites [14:33] Captology - (Link: http://hci.stanford.edu/captology/)http://hci.stanford.edu/captology/ [14:33] Fogg - Persuasive Technology - (Link: http://persuasivetech.info/)http://persuasivetech.info/ [14:33] Wired News: Fiddling With Human Behavior - (Link: http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,34526,00.html)http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,34526,00.html [14:33] *** jernst (~jernst@sheraton.network.harvard.net) has joined channel #jupiterconf [14:35] "I think the value of pushing things to the extreme is so that we can ask, what's like this but not quite so obvious?" Fogg said. [14:35] Hmm, sounds like IRC [14:36] extreme-ness allows identifying limitations ... [14:36] testing the limits so to speak. [14:36] avant-garde [14:36] not the same thing... [14:37] *** xuli (~adina_lev@sheraton.network.harvard.net) has joined channel #jupiterConf [14:37] say more, Boris, plz [14:37] extreme is being used more and more [14:37] avant-garde is french military term.. means "front row" or forward guard.. the first into th ethick of battle... [14:37] as in extreme programming [14:37] point [14:37] :) [14:38] John Lawlor just asked: "how many people are on the marketing side of the fence?" and got quite a few hands. What other sides of which fences are people from? [14:38] oh you're talking extreme programming? erm.. [14:38] lol [14:38] no, I'm talking extreme [14:38] as in what are limits [14:39] i menat for example, extremeism in society identifies the limits of what a society may tolerate, and pushes it forward a bit... putting products through extreme testing identifies it's weaknesses, etc... [14:39] yes [14:39] agreed [14:39] Joi Ito hooking up his blog to a Wiki and IRC and technorati and and and is extreme... we see what it's doing to us already (wellido anyways... I'm dizzy!!) [14:40] hi dizzy, i'm jcwinnie [14:40] when i walk away from my desk I feel liek I've chopped off my second head... [14:40] call me zaphod... ;) [14:40] one "other side"would be knowledge management [14:40] waiting for the implants [14:40] techie? business? [14:40] and one would be "fun-bloggers." but they donÄt come tobusiness weblog conferences [14:41] techies are another kind i guess [14:41] any of you here will be at the MoBlog conf in Tokyo next month? [14:42] test [14:42] ?help [14:42] JiBot - #JoiIto's bot - (Link: http://joi.ito.com/joiwiki/JiBot)http://joi.ito.com/joiwiki/JiBot [14:42] ?info (Link: http://my.blog.com)http://my.blog.com - Show blog info (Technorati) [14:42] ?last (Link: http://my.blog.com)http://my.blog.com - Display last blog post as in RSS feed (Technorati) [14:42] ?search words - Search words (Technorati) [14:42] ?google words - Search words (Google) [14:42] ?amazon words - Search words (Amazon) [14:42] ?isbn ISBNumber - Search ISBN (Amazon) [14:44] ?search Sapir-Whorf hypothesis [14:44] Search for Sapir-Whorf hypothesis. Showing first 3 of 4 sites [14:44] Better Living Through Software - (Link: http://www.netcrucible.com/blog)http://www.netcrucible.com/blog [14:44] Epeus' epigone - (Link: http://epeus.blogspot.com)http://epeus.blogspot.com [14:44] the Couch - (Link: http://www.the-couch.org)http://www.the-couch.org [14:46] "here are the members of your Technorati Cosmos - now go out and kill them" [14:47] hehe [14:47] oh, yeah, the Traction guys count as the KM/team/project subculture [14:48] enterprise blogs are behind firewalls. how can we count them? [14:48] should we? [14:48] very useful at first. [14:48] i run a work blog... I'd get fired if anything in it got leaked outside... same as ourt internal wiki... [14:49] just census data. [14:49] number of blogs and bloggers and posts. sharing stats with the world. [14:49] you know what my CTO, CSO and CIO think of your desire for census data? ;) [14:50] would they want to benchmark their blogging community against the industry leaders? [14:50] and why would they? [14:51] or why shoudl they want to? [14:51] the better to lead, manage, and fight for budget [14:51] hmm interesting... do u think it is going to go that way? [14:52] orgs routinely publish headcount to SEC. [14:52] it's something to manage until it is background noise. [14:52] headcount is not same as content of heads... ;) [14:52] exactly [14:52] hmmm [14:53] *** jernst has left #jupiterconf [14:53] *** jernst (~jernst@sheraton.network.harvard.net) has joined channel #jupiterconf [14:53] another topic - M&A. [14:53] when do you open the kimono to show your partners your intranet blogs? [14:53] M&A ? [14:53] *** Signoff: rubys (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [14:53] mergers and acquisitions [14:54] woof... wola wola... i don't like this... [14:54] ;) [14:54] *** Signoff: jernst (Remote closed the connection) [14:54] wola wola? [14:54] are emploeyees workblogs the property of th ecompany? rough question... [14:55] are your home blogs company property if you post from work? [14:55] *** Signoff: xuli (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [14:55] not as far as i am concerned... but I want to know about workblogs specifically (though I see your point...) [14:55] laws vary based on your employment contract and jurisdiction. [14:56] yeah.. yuck... [14:56] *** jernst (~jernst@sheraton.network.harvard.net) has joined channel #jupiterconf [14:57] we need licensing agreements your next employment contract. Non-exclusive use of your workblog. [14:58] yeesss i see [15:00] JoHo is a good speaker, eh? [15:01] nothing more fun than a table-pounding philosopher [15:01] martin, same as in Wien? [15:01] longer and better. he was not jetlagged - he was much more "alive" than in vienna [15:02] Look at me,Phil. Look...at...me... [15:02] "nternal Technorati's will arise to capture and measure the interlinking of weblogs." Adina Levin [15:03] oops (Phil) I thought you meant Martin Weir - (Link: http://www.imdb.com/M/title-exact?Get%20Shorty%20(1995)http://www.imdb.com/M/title-exact?Get%20Shorty%20(1995) [15:03] exactly... [15:03] arise Technoratis, you have nothing to lose but your ipchains [15:04] and specifically targeted blog communities... [15:05] *** xuli (~adina_lev@sheraton.network.harvard.net) has joined channel #jupiterConf [15:05] faceted blogs? this post is for in and out. this one for my team only. polyblogging. [15:06] yeah, I see having a personal tool (Chandler?), which publishes out to various places [15:06] "Dudes, the old rules still apply. Formal rules and cultural ones." [15:06] Gemeinshaft and Geselleshaft [15:07] hmm wasn't there an xml language for faceted views of data? [15:07] xfl [15:07] or is that a football league? [15:07] ?search xfl [15:08] ? search xfl [15:08] ?google xfl [15:08] ?help [15:08] hrm... [15:09] I having ironic tremors listening to this army guy [15:09] XFML [15:09] (Link: http://diveintomark.org/archives/2002/12/03/this_is_xfml.html)http://diveintomark.org/archives/2002/12/03/this_is_xfml.html [15:09] What happened to jibot? [15:11] oops, sorry [15:12] and webID ... with multiple "avatars" which we as individuals can control (and not the company we work for the government we "elect")... all hooked into weblogs, PIMS, google, technorati et al... [15:13] *** Signoff: europa (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [15:13] *** europa (~europa@mail.blogalia.com) has joined channel #jupiterConf [15:15] ?help [15:15] JiBot - #JoiIto's bot - (Link: http://joi.ito.com/joiwiki/JiBot)http://joi.ito.com/joiwiki/JiBot [15:15] ?info (Link: http://my.blog.com)http://my.blog.com - Show blog info (Technorati) [15:15] ?last (Link: http://my.blog.com)http://my.blog.com - Display last blog post as in RSS feed (Technorati) [15:15] ?search words - Search words (Technorati) [15:15] ?google words - Search words (Google) [15:15] ?amazon words - Search words (Amazon) [15:15] ?isbn ISBNumber - Search ISBN (Amazon) [15:15] I hope I get some flames because of my latest blog-entry. :) [15:15] perhapsjohn lawlor will comment (if he reads it.) :-) [15:16] On Topic Exchange or on your blog, Martin [15:16] ty, Bill Seitz [15:16] The full entry is on my blog. but it's on TE too [15:19] ah, youth [15:20] Prozesse und "ponytails" [15:24] Martin, I commend your flags at the top of your blog page. You might enjoy serving on a panel with Sebastien Paquet. [15:25] Sebastian is a very niceguy. I met himin Vienna twoweeks ago [15:26] (Link: http://radio.weblogs.com/0110772/)http://radio.weblogs.com/0110772/ [15:26] (fellow montrealer... :) [15:27] *** Signoff: jernst (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [15:27] *** Signoff: xuli (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) *** You have been marked as being away. [15:48] *** Disconnected from irc.freenode.net. Session Close (#jupiterConf): Mon Jun 09 15:48:41 2003 Session Start (asimov.freenode.net:#jupiterConf): Mon Jun 09 15:50:09 2003 [15:50] *** Now talking in #jupiterConf. *** Users on #jupiterConf: MartinRoell jernst europa femtoid seitz Bopuc Martin_Roell jcwinnie PhilWolff *** End of /NAMES list. *** Mode for channel #jupiterConf is "+n" *** Channel #jupiterConf was created at Mon Jun 09 11:48:09 2003 [15:50] *** Join to #jupiterConf completed in 0 seconds. [15:50] is somebody logging this channel? [15:50] good question [15:50] could you email the transcript to me at the end orput it up on the web? [15:51] Bill Seitz if anyone [15:51] I am not logging it Martin [15:51] Bill is the channel op [15:59] I haven't been logging it. [16:02] *** xuli (~adina_lev@sheraton.network.harvard.net) has joined channel #jupiterConf [16:02] i think I have most of it. I will post it on my blog this evening. [16:03] (the chat transcript?) [16:04] yes [16:04] (I keep losing connection to IRC) [16:04] yes, it says timed out [16:05] Sorry, I just now added you blog to list of Jupiter bloggers [16:05] My apologies for the delay [16:07] *** Signoff: Martin_Roell (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [16:07] jcwinnie: where is your list? [16:07] joi.ito.com/joiwiki/AboutBlogs [16:08] A list I composed on Joi Ito's Web [16:08] I liked that David Weinberger did that for BlogTalk [16:10] test [16:11] I keep getting Error 500 when pinging the topicexchange (probalby my fault, not TE's.). So check my blog directly for updates. [16:11] i put a a post with instructions for translation it [16:12] "translating" that is.sorry for the typos [16:17] *** seitzb (~seitz@sheraton.network.harvard.net) has joined channel #jupiterConf [16:17] I have not been saving a log [16:18] I was using Chatzilla in the morning, and kept getting bumped off [16:18] yikes, then I think no one has [16:18] I've been using Trillian this afternoon. No bumps. I was about to save the session, but ahem someone unplugged my laptop, with its nearly-useless battery, and it immediately died [16:19] Blog about it. Then I will comment and tell you who it was. ;-) [16:20] mousse-alert! [16:20] *** Signoff: seitz (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [16:23] *** emv (emv@naughty.monkey.org) has joined channel #jupiterConf [16:25] *** Signoff: xuli (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) [16:51] *** femtoid has left #jupiterConf [16:53] * jcwinnie is away: Eating Sea Bass, rice and salad, yum! [16:57] *** xuli (~adina_lev@sheraton.network.harvard.net) has joined channel #jupiterConf [16:57] again [16:58] welcome back [16:58] *** KevinMarks (~Snak@A17-202-34-245.apple.com) has joined channel #jupiterConf [16:58] hi kevin [16:59] hi there [17:00] hey Kevin, I enjoyed that essay of your father's about Hayek's notion of spontaneous order [17:00] hullo, kevin [17:01] thanks! [17:02] These emergence ideas keep coming, and I thinkthe important thing to consider is setting frameworks to encourage them [17:03] I just coined a new word - 'blogrepping' - to use Technorati Search to find things Pass it on (Link: http://epeus.blogspot.com/2003_06_01_epeus_archive.html#200404532)http://epeus.blogspot.com/2003_06_01_epeus_archive.html#200404532 [17:06] :-) [17:10] too much damn selling going on during this panel [17:16] hey, it's the vendor panel [17:17] blog + plug = [17:17] *lol* [17:18] blog + pitch = bitch [17:23] real-time product management on a panel -- this is funny [17:26] *** Bopuc has left #jupiterConf [17:26] *** davidjoho (~dweinberg@sheraton.network.harvard.net) has joined channel #jupiterConf [17:27] welcome dave! [17:27] Thanks for your helping getting me on to this. [17:27] no prob - it's like the 3rd time I've used IRC [17:28] Whew! The panel swerved away from the Open Source third rail! [17:28] "the power of boredom" - now there's a tagline [17:29] it's always dangerous to have Frankston on a panel [17:30] test [17:31] the Jupiter thing loks intersting from the bloggage [17:32] blogrepping 'jupiter' shows lots of neat stuff [17:32] ?search Jupiter conference [17:32] Search for Jupiter conference. Showing first 3 of 9 sites [17:32] The Doc Searls Weblog - (Link: http://doc.weblogs.com)http://doc.weblogs.com [17:32] MarketingFix - (Link: http://www.marketingfix.com)http://www.marketingfix.com [17:32] Webmink - (Link: http://www.webmink.net)http://www.webmink.net [17:33] is europa the jibot? [17:33] ?cool davidjoho [17:33] davidjoho is freezing over [17:34] you mean his machine is locking? [17:34] yes [17:34] or does he need long sleeves? [17:34] rvr installed it [17:34] I find the wifi a little flaky [17:34] ?google JoHo [17:34] Search for JoHo: 0.185 seconds. Showing first 3 of 264000 sites [17:34] Joho the Blog - (Link: http://www.hyperorg.com/blogger/)http://www.hyperorg.com/blogger/ [17:34] JOHO - Hyperlinked Organization - Home Page (David Weinberger) - (Link: http://www.hyperorg.com/)http://www.hyperorg.com/ [17:34] The JoHo Company - www.joho.nl - (Link: http://www.joho.nl/)http://www.joho.nl/ [17:34] *** Signoff: jernst (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) [17:34] and some clients may not deal with that well - Chatzilla kept bumping me off this morning - having no problems with Trillian [17:35] marketroid alert [17:35] *** jernst (~jernst@sheraton.network.harvard.net) has joined channel #jupiterconf [17:36] thanks for adding your blog to the bloggage [17:37] was easy enough -- although I am not sure we need yet another markup language (but that comment is obviously misaddressed) [17:38] that is the idea with wiki -- "it was easy enough" [17:39] search and replace on "bitch" for "dumb example" [17:39] Here's Joi Ito's list of bloggers, with his classes and imgs removed. [17:39]
  • Rick Bruner [17:39]
  • KathleenGoodwin [17:39]
  • Johannes Ernst [17:39]
  • Heath Row Media Diet [17:39]
  • Denise Howell [17:39]
  • Adina Levin [17:39]
  • Martin Röll (auf Deutsch) [17:39]
  • Bill Seitz (wiki) [17:39]
  • Tima Thinking Outloud [17:39]
  • Topic Exchange [17:39]
  • David Weinberger [17:39]
  • Dave Winer [17:39]
  • Phil Wolff
  • [17:40] Damn, sorry for the multi line. I was hoping that it would come through as a single paragraph we could use to paste into our blogs. Foolish me. [17:43] here's the "main" link for "blog as disruptive technology re CMS" - (Link: http://www.webcrimson.com/ourstories/blogsdisruptivetech.htm)http://www.webcrimson.com/ourstories/blogsdisruptivetech.htm [17:44] Powell also apparently got really excited about wifi when he first saw it. [17:47] thanks!